Goodbye Ty

[cheryl]

l have to admit that even though we knew Ty wouldn't be right to front INXS it is with great sadness to see him go. He is undoubtably one of the best performers l have seen and it is obvious that he is at home in front of an audience. I thought that JD's performance was mediocre and that he deserved to go before Ty. JD's arrogance is standing in his way of being a great performer and l wonder how long it will be until INXS see this. My favourite to win is Mig and l hope he takes a firmer stand to the song that he wants to perform as l believe that he would have done "Rhapsody" brilliantly and that is not taking anything away from Suzie who did a fantastic job. Good luck Mig and it is good to see an Aussie showing the world what talented artist we have!!

[kentuckywingman]

I thought Ty was a great talent and while I knew he would never front INXS I know he'll have a great career in musical theatre. I must say however that I was very disappointed that in his final speach he played "the race card". I can't believe that he stood up in front of INXS and America and bascially said that he wouldn't win because he is black. He made it to the finaly six with 2 women, and 4 men. One is Australian, two are Canadian and two are women. He was hardly the only minority. I lost ALL respect the moment he made reference to race, because no one else did. Goodbye Ty....sorry you can't accept that there might be better singers than you, regardless of their color

[snookie]

Originally Posted by kentuckywingman

I thought Ty was a great talent and while I knew he would never front INXS I know he'll have a great career in musical theatre. I must say however that I was very disappointed that in his final speach he played "the race card". I can't believe that he stood up in front of INXS and America and bascially said that he wouldn't win because he is black. He made it to the finaly six with 2 women, and 4 men. One is Australian, two are Canadian and two are women. He was hardly the only minority. I lost ALL respect the moment he made reference to race, because no one else did. Goodbye Ty....sorry you can't accept that there might be better singers than you, regardless of their color

I have to agree with your statement 100%!

To add a little correction, Jordis is mixed race (black father/white mother). Until Ty's innappropriate statement last night, I did not think anyone cared...they shouldn't.

Ty ultimately lost because he fumbled the words to the INXS song, had been in the bottom three 3-times AND obviously the band thought he was not a fit for reasons only known to them. I would go out on a limb and state that "race" was not the factor that sent him packing.

If Ty's excuse for getting the boot is "race", what are the seven other contestants reasons for getting sent home? Was someone Jewish, a woman or too blonde? Maybe Brandon's nasty looking facial hair was the reason for his demise....

[greeneyez75]

Originally Posted by snookie

I have to agree with your statement 100%!

To add a little correction, Jordis is mixed race (black father/white mother). Until Ty's innappropriate statement last night, I did not think anyone cared...they shouldn't.

Ty ultimately lost because he fumbled the words to the INXS song, had been in the bottom three 3-times AND obviously the band thought he was not a fit for reasons only known to them. I would go out on a limb and state that "race" was not the factor that sent him packing.

If Ty's excuse for getting the boot is "race", what are the seven other contestants reasons for getting sent home? Was someone Jewish, a woman or too blonde? Maybe Brandon's nasty looking facial hair was the reason for his demise....

Whoa. I like Ty, and would much have preferred him to stick around a little longer. I think, personally, that Ty had a (small) point, but I think his point was poorly served by the words he used. It was not "race", because as noted, Jordis is of mixed racial heritage, but more based on image and style of singing (generalized by race), and he twisted this into a "race" perception. We know INXS is not opposed to a black singer because they had a short-lived stint with Terrence Trent D'Arby as their lead. I would venture to say that Ty himself (and probably only himself) had an insecurity issue with the african-american race in rock music. I mean, seriously, how many black, gay lead singers of popular rock bands are there right now? Leave out the gay part, and still...??? Not a big number and it's (in my opinion) about presentation and style. The voting public just did not care for his style and overly theatrical stage presence, and INXS can't ignore the fact that he's been in the bottom three times. While they do have the final say, they aren't stupid enough to totally disregard what the public wants. If they'd chosen Ty how many of the people watching this show would never even consider buying a CD or attending a concert? Based on his unpopularity, I'd say quite a few. They have to take this into consideration.

[snookie]

Originally Posted by greeneyez75

Whoa. I like Ty, and would much have preferred him to stick around a little longer. I think, personally, that Ty had a (small) point, but I think his point was poorly served by the words he used. It was not "race", because as noted, Jordis is of mixed racial heritage, but more based on image and style of singing (generalized by race), and he twisted this into a "race" perception. We know INXS is not opposed to a black singer because they had a short-lived stint with Terrence Trent D'Arby as their lead. I would venture to say that Ty himself (and probably only himself) had an insecurity issue with the african-american race in rock music. I mean, seriously, how many black, gay lead singers of popular rock bands are there right now? Leave out the gay part, and still...??? Not a big number and it's (in my opinion) about presentation and style. The voting public just did not care for his style and overly theatrical stage presence, and INXS can't ignore the fact that he's been in the bottom three times. While they do have the final say, they aren't stupid enough to totally disregard what the public wants. If they'd chosen Ty how many of the people watching this show would never even consider buying a CD or attending a concert? Based on his unpopularity, I'd say quite a few. They have to take this into consideration.

I had no idea, or could care less if Ty (or anyone else) on the show is gay, and I think ALL would agree his comments were a bit, shall we say, wrong.

As I pointed out and you went into detail, there were many factors involved in his being dismissed, and most people would agree his color or race was not among them.

I somehow doubt there are many redneck-racist types watching this show, let alone somehow having the time or wanting to torpedo his career by multiple voting or the like. I do not deny there is racism in the world but come on!

I am not a fan of "reality" TV, I just got hooked by the overall talent of these folks, singing some of my favorite songs. Until Ty's pulling of the race card last night, I would have said anything JD was the worst part of the show. Now it would be hard to top, or out "low" Ty's comments.

One man's opinion.

[greeneyez75]

Sure, you're right that there are many factors, and I completely agree. I also agree that it wasn't the best thing for him to say, but to say it was the entire show's lowest point? Come on, now. Have you watched this from the beginning? JD's pulled some really "classy" **** out of his hat. And while Ty was stupid to even venture into the "race" territory, he had a point in that THERE ARE VERY FEW BLACK LEAD ROCK SINGERS in today's music scene. You think race had absolutely nothing to do with why people didn't like him singing for INXS? Maybe some people feel that way, but I'm sticking to my original theory that it did, but not based on "red-necked racism", but based on style/presentation factors that he as a black man struggled to weave seamlessly together with INXS's music. It just didn't work for him, and because of that, he wasn't well received by the voting public. Perhaps my original post made it seem that I was saying I didn't like TY based on race, but I can assure you that isn't the case. He's been one of my favorite performers in this from early on, but I also recognized early on that he didn't have a chance in hell to actually win. He didn't have the fan-base the others seem to have. And many, many people stated that while they personally liked his voice, they just couldn't see him fronting this band.

[snookie]

Originally Posted by greeneyez75

Sure, you're right that there are many factors, and I completely agree. I also agree that it wasn't the best thing for him to say, but to say it was the entire show's lowest point? Come on, now. Have you watched this from the beginning? JD's pulled some really "classy" **** out of his hat. And while Ty was stupid to even venture into the "race" territory, he had a point in that THERE ARE VERY FEW BLACK LEAD ROCK SINGERS in today's music scene. You think race had absolutely nothing to do with why people didn't like him singing for INXS? Maybe some people feel that way, but I'm sticking to my original theory that it did, but not based on "red-necked racism", but based on style/presentation factors that he as a black man struggled to weave seamlessly together with INXS's music. It just didn't work for him, and because of that, he wasn't well received by the voting public. Perhaps my original post made it seem that I was saying I didn't like TY based on race, but I can assure you that isn't the case. He's been one of my favorite performers in this from early on, but I also recognized early on that he didn't have a chance in hell to actually win. He didn't have the fan-base the others seem to have. And many, many people stated that while they personally liked his voice, they just couldn't see him fronting this band.

Just a question, but what percentage of Blacks, Hispanics or say Asians (you can guess) actually would choose "rock" music as their favorite form of music? I would say less than 1/2 or below. Even "blues" type music which was created by blacks back in the slave days has a predominently "white" following now. I kind of know for I am a blues fan and attend several shows per year. Factor in that (speaking to the United States Population) caucasion people are close to 70% of the overall population, with blacks, Asians, Hispanic, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, etc, etc, making up the other 30% one can see via statistics and simple math why Blacks do not "front" a large percentage of bands.

It is not "The Man" keeping blacks from fronting bands, it is the limited number of blacks that actually like rock as opposed to those not liking the genre per see.

In regards to the "bad points" in the show, I'll agree that JD's "your not my friend anymore" last night would have been the worst of his multiple BS'ings and would be the worst overall but how could you not agree that anyone pulling the race card tops even that idiot JD?

As far as "talent" goes, I would choose Ty, Deanna or Jordis for overall vocal range and stage ability. I think Jordis' "Imagine" was the best of the series thus far, so my choices are not "racially" motivated. Do I think any of those I just mentioned "fit", no but neither did Brandon, Neal, Daphne or any of the others booted thus far.

Ty (in my mind) said the worst thing possible. Most people are trying to improve race relations and his comments did nothing to help.

One man's opinion.

[greeneyez75]

Originally Posted by snookie

It is not "The Man" keeping blacks from fronting bands, it is the limited number of blacks that actually like rock as opposed to those not liking the genre per see.

Exactly. I guess in a rather argumentative way (sorry, not normally my nature...), this is what I was trying to say. Because of the above factor, Ty's race is a handicap, so he wasn't wrong, per se, that race had something to do with it. But his perspective of why race played a part was. It wasn't about the "hate" that generally plays a part of racism, and I think unfortunately that that's the spin Ty took, but he was wrong. A limiting facor? Yes. The almighty racial hate card? Not so much.

[Lil' Bit77]

Originally Posted by greeneyez75

he had a point in that THERE ARE VERY FEW BLACK LEAD ROCK SINGERS in today's music scene. You think race had absolutely nothing to do with why people didn't like him singing for INXS? Maybe some people feel that way, but I'm sticking to my original theory that it did, but not based on "red-necked racism", but based on style/presentation factors that he as a black man struggled to weave seamlessly together with INXS's music. It just didn't work for him, and because of that, he wasn't well received by the voting public.

YES, my thoughts exactly. He's a fabulous talent who will make it far i his career, but he doesn't have INXS's style.

[truefan]

I think that there are individuals that are better suited for the band, but I do feel that the fact that TY is black is part of the reason he was in the bottom 3 three weeks in a row. While Jordis is of mixed race, this is not visually apparent. JD should have gone home based on his performance Tuesday and Wednesday. Yet he stayed.