I agree,Terry should have won

[lkmcurio]

I knew when Terry lost the last challenge that he had lost the million. Danielle lied when she gave her first reasons for choosing Aras. She had a better chance of winning by choosing to take Aras with her. I'm sure there are many who wish things had been different. I for one think that it would be nice if someone with intergrity could win.. The whole experience is so life changing that it would be nice if for once someone could win without becoming a liar.

[cherylb]

I am so glad that Danielle thought she would win if she took Aras,and it backfired!!!!!!!!!!! Serves her right. She would have lost if she took Terry, but at least Terry TRULY deservred the million and title of sole survivor. And if she didn't want to be in the position of choosing who she would take to the final 2, she should have just gotten off the platform, let Aras and Terry battle it out, Terry would have taken her to the final. She just proved with that move (taking Aras), what a snake she really was. (Just my opinion)

[procorat]

You all are so right,

Terry should have won - the fact that danielle and Aras emoting and going on about their integrity and how they played their best - no. Terry worked hard and really tried - and he never screwed anyone - he was someone you could respect -the other two really dragged the bottom and they still won - because they did not have an ounce of intergrity - it showcased to the youth of the world that you do not have to be honest, try hard or do anything other than make false promises and go with whomever manipulates you the most and looks the best. Danielle had screwed Terry over a couple of times before with the voting - that is why he did not give her the immunity idol - and she screwed him again in the end. Aras, and everything he did just sickened me - ideally, terry would have the opportunity to beat the crap out of him - a whinny freaking wanker. Intimidating Danielle at the end was his best move - "you'd better take me..." God - she really could be manipulated - I hope she can actually see how she was played and how easily she was led away from her promise, her integrity, any sense of personal value. God, I have met street whores with more integrity. But, I rant. At thye end of the day, you have to look in the mirror and respect yourself - without that, you have nothing.

[ButterflyKisses]

Originally Posted by procorat

You all are so right,

Terry should have won - the fact that danielle and Aras emoting and going on about their integrity and how they played their best - no. Terry worked hard and really tried - and he never screwed anyone - he was someone you could respect -the other two really dragged the bottom and they still won - anything other than make false promises and go with whomever manipulates because they did not have an ounce of intergrity - it showcased to the youth of the world that you do not have to be honest, try hard or do you the most and looks the best. Danielle had screwed Terry over a couple of times before with the voting - that is why he did not give her the immunity idol - and she screwed him again in the end. Aras, and everything he did just sickened me - ideally, terry would have the opportunity to beat the crap out of him - a whinny freaking wanker. Intimidating Danielle at the end was his best move - "you'd better take me..." God - she really could be manipulated - I hope she can actually see how she was played and how easily she was led away from her promise, her integrity, any sense of personal value. God, I have met street whores with more integrity. But, I rant. At thye end of the day, you have to look in the mirror and respect yourself - without that, you have nothing.

You are so right on about that. Even though in another thread I said if Terry had to lose, Aras was a good choice, I really didn't like a lot of what he did. But I didn't like how most of the others played either. I don't think people need to manipulate, lie, backstab, etc. to get ahead. That's what's wrong with society. People think the more you lie, cheat, steal, etc. the more you will get ahead. That may be true to some extent, however, in my opinion, being able to go to bed at night knowing you are an honest, decent person is far more important.

[april_s]

You guy/girls are right on the money! The game doesn't need to be played like that. But people continue on the path that Richard Hatch set because it is the easy way to win. How unfortunate.

[raeeeex]

Are you saying that Terry played with integrity? I mentioned in another thread that he screwed Dan early on when there was no need even though he promised Dan to be with him until the F2 in the very first episode. Though it was just before the merge where the team's combined strength does not matter anymore, the reason he gave was because the team needed to be younger and stronger.

This was either a lie or complete lack of strategic understanding of the game. Neither makes Terry look very good. Clearly the team concept does not matter after the merge and I firmly believe that Dan would have helped the Terry team from people skill perspective.

Looking at the whole, Terry had neither people skills, integrity nor a good strategic understanding of the game. Why would he deserve to win? Just because he showed muscle but had no brains?

[april_s]

I'm saying no one who makes it to the end ever plays with total integrity. Period. Terry voted out Dan, yes. Cirie and Aras voted out Shane. Danielle voted out Courtney.

Here's the difference........a lie/deceipt vs. honesty and truthfulness

Who has MORE integrity since their all guilty of the same thing? I don't understand the bashing of Terry for integrity when there was no one who came closer to having MORE in the end. When the time came and each of them were tested, Terry came through on his betrayal in a more respectable light.

One thing at a time- bring it on!

[raeeeex]

Originally Posted by april_s

I'm saying no one who makes it to the end ever plays with total integrity. Period. Terry voted out Dan, yes. Cirie and Aras voted out Shane. Danielle voted out Courtney.

Here's the difference........a lie/deceipt vs. honesty and truthfulness

Who has MORE integrity since their all guilty of the same thing?

One thing at a time- bring it on!

But didn't you just say "The game doesn't need to be played like that."?

Clearly Terry had very little integrity and honesty as explained in this post:

http://forums.survivor.com/survivor/....html#post4093

He had two major chances to display his honesty and integrity and failed them both. The same thing cannot be said of Aras.

I agree that one cannot play this game with total integrity. The game is simply not structured this way. The key to making alliances is that you have to convince others that you can be trusted to stick with them pretty as close to the end as possible. This is where Terry failed miserably in his alliance with Dan. His promise flip flop with Ruth Marie just emphasized the point that he cannot be trusted.

The other reason why I don't think he deserved to win was his distinct lack of game strategy, skills and smarts. Terry again missed the boat by a mile on these scores (again see the referenced post).

http://forums.survivor.com/survivor/....html#post4093
Terry played a very naive and even stupid game. Hopefully, every survivor viewer knows that after the merge it is a game of individuals and the team doesn't count. Why keep Austin or Nick around over Dan and in the process even break a major promise when Austin and Nick were much more dangerous competitors in the individual immunity challenges. Terry had lots of time to reflect on this before the votes were cast. How incredibly stupid!

[april_s]

Yes I said "the game doesn't have to be played like that" and I said that "no one that ever makes it to the {end plays with 100% integrity}". What's the problem- no contradiction there. I choose my words carefully...read it again.

What are you talking about with Ruth Marie??? Terry never promised her an alliance. Dan promised her an alliance and spoke to the other boys who agreed with HIM, not to Ruth Marie. After Austin spoke with Sally he conviced the boys to keep her instead- Dan felt guilty because he shook Ruth's hand that he would rally for her and she would stay. He shouldn't have promised her that- he didn't have that kind of control over their group.

Aras lied big time by backstabing Shane. Did you miss that? Aras, Shane and Cirie had a F3 alliance- they based an entire episode off that remember? They voted him after after 2 episodes of lying and reassuring him that their alliance was safe.

Everyone in this game is guilty of turning on 1 alliance. I stand by both statements: I think that this game can be played without turning on an alliance and I think everyone in this season turned on an alliance.

Does it make better sense when I reword it?

[raeeeex]

Originally Posted by april_s

Yes I said "the game doesn't have to be played like that" and I said that "no one that ever makes it to the {end plays with 100% integrity}". What's the problem- no contradiction there. I choose my words carefully...read it again.

What are you talking about with Ruth Marie??? Terry never promised her an alliance. Dan promised her an alliance and spoke to the other boys who agreed with HIM, not to Ruth Marie. After Austin spoke with Sally he conviced the boys to keep her instead- Dan felt guilty because he shook Ruth's hand that he would rally for her and she would stay. He shouldn't have promised her that- he didn't have that kind of control over their group.

Aras lied big time by backstabing Shane. Did you miss that? Aras, Shane and Cirie had a F3 alliance- they based an entire episode off that remember? They voted him after after 2 episodes of lying and reassuring him that their alliance was safe.

Everyone in this game is guilty of turning on 1 alliance. I stand by both statements: I think that this game can be played without turning on an alliance and I think everyone in this season turned on an alliance.

Does it make better sense when I reword it?

Not really. It seems rather inconsistent to claim that the game doesn't need to be played this way and in the next breath you say that no one makes it to the end without lying or cheating...

But let's move on. You do have an interesting way of coloring things to your liking. But fortunately there are some sites out there that have the facts straight.

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/r...anama-3980.php
Terry agreed with Austin's suggestion, a decision that shocked Dan. "I just can't believe how quickly it falls apart." Dan explained to the cameras. Austin and Terry... they're saying now that 'You had the handshake with Ruth so it's OK for us to back out' [but] we had an understanding to go to the Final 5 and to change horses midstream is a big mistake... it's crazy."


I am always fascinated when certain folks resort to technicalities when it comes to lying. Did you notice the term ”back out”? Notice the headline in the story and based on the voting record, it wasn’t Dan who betrayed her:

Betrayed by an existing alliance that she had joined only a couple of days earlier, Ruth Marie Milliman, a 48-year-old director of retail leasing from Greenville, SC, became the fourth Survivor: Panama -- Exile Island castaway to be eliminated from the game

Says it all, doesn't it?